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Egypt (Egypt) (search for this): chapter 2
ers bear them easily. For the whole earth does not ail at the same time, so that from a prosperous land imports reach the rulers of the sea. If there should be mention also of slighter matters,Cf. Pericles in the Funeral Oration: Thuc. 2.38, on luxuries and delights, and on the presence in Athens of good things from everywhere. first, by virtue of their naval power, the Athenians have mingled with various peoples and discovered types of luxury. Whatever the delicacy in Sicily, Italy, Cyprus, Egypt, Lydia, Pontus, the Peloponnese, or anywhere else, -- all these have been brought together into one place by virtue of naval power. Further, hearing every kind of dialect, they have taken something from each; the Greeks rather tend to use their own dialect, way of life, and type of dress, but the Athenians use a mixture from all the Greeks and non-Greeks. The Athenian populace realizes that it is impossible for each of the poor to offer sacrifices, to give lavish feasts, to set up shrines, a
Athens (Greece) (search for this): chapter 2
es not ail at the same time, so that from a prosperous land imports reach the rulers of the sea. If there should be mention also of slighter matters,Cf. Pericles in the Funeral Oration: Thuc. 2.38, on luxuries and delights, and on the presence in Athens of good things from everywhere. first, by virtue of their naval power, the Athenians have mingled with various peoples and discovered types of luxury. Whatever the delicacy in Sicily, Italy, Cyprus, Egypt, Lydia, Pontus, the Peloponnese, or anywhebeian types are indeed abused in comedy but only if they have been meddling in others' affairs and trying to rise above their class, so that the people feel no vexation at seeing such persons abused in comedy. It is my opinion that the people at Athens know which citizens are good and which bad, but that in spite of this knowledge they cultivate those who are complaisant and useful to themselves, even if bad; and they tend to hate the good. For they do not think that the good are naturally virt
Lydia (Turkey) (search for this): chapter 2
r them easily. For the whole earth does not ail at the same time, so that from a prosperous land imports reach the rulers of the sea. If there should be mention also of slighter matters,Cf. Pericles in the Funeral Oration: Thuc. 2.38, on luxuries and delights, and on the presence in Athens of good things from everywhere. first, by virtue of their naval power, the Athenians have mingled with various peoples and discovered types of luxury. Whatever the delicacy in Sicily, Italy, Cyprus, Egypt, Lydia, Pontus, the Peloponnese, or anywhere else, -- all these have been brought together into one place by virtue of naval power. Further, hearing every kind of dialect, they have taken something from each; the Greeks rather tend to use their own dialect, way of life, and type of dress, but the Athenians use a mixture from all the Greeks and non-Greeks. The Athenian populace realizes that it is impossible for each of the poor to offer sacrifices, to give lavish feasts, to set up shrines, and to m
Euboea (Greece) (search for this): chapter 2
e enemy by land. If they lived on an island, even this would be of no concern to them. However, since from the beginning they happen not to have lived on an island, they now do the following: they place their property on islands while trusting in the naval empire and they allow their land to be ravaged, for they realize that if they concern themselves with this, they will be deprived of other greater goods.At the beginning of the Peloponnesian War the Athenians certainly did move property to Euboea (Thuc. 2.14.1); and Attic land was ravaged by Spartans who were unopposed by the Athenians (Thuc. 2.23.1). But after the war began, it was impossible to say that the people a)dew=s ch(= (cf. Thuc. 2.65.2); therefore, this passage is not persuasive evidence of a date of 431 or later. (One would be hard put to discover an apt moment within the year 431 after the land was ravaged but before the people felt discomfort.) Further, for oligarchic cities it is necessary to keep to alliances and oath
Pontus (search for this): chapter 2
easily. For the whole earth does not ail at the same time, so that from a prosperous land imports reach the rulers of the sea. If there should be mention also of slighter matters,Cf. Pericles in the Funeral Oration: Thuc. 2.38, on luxuries and delights, and on the presence in Athens of good things from everywhere. first, by virtue of their naval power, the Athenians have mingled with various peoples and discovered types of luxury. Whatever the delicacy in Sicily, Italy, Cyprus, Egypt, Lydia, Pontus, the Peloponnese, or anywhere else, -- all these have been brought together into one place by virtue of naval power. Further, hearing every kind of dialect, they have taken something from each; the Greeks rather tend to use their own dialect, way of life, and type of dress, but the Athenians use a mixture from all the Greeks and non-Greeks. The Athenian populace realizes that it is impossible for each of the poor to offer sacrifices, to give lavish feasts, to set up shrines, and to manage a
Cyprus (Cyprus) (search for this): chapter 2
sea powers bear them easily. For the whole earth does not ail at the same time, so that from a prosperous land imports reach the rulers of the sea. If there should be mention also of slighter matters,Cf. Pericles in the Funeral Oration: Thuc. 2.38, on luxuries and delights, and on the presence in Athens of good things from everywhere. first, by virtue of their naval power, the Athenians have mingled with various peoples and discovered types of luxury. Whatever the delicacy in Sicily, Italy, Cyprus, Egypt, Lydia, Pontus, the Peloponnese, or anywhere else, -- all these have been brought together into one place by virtue of naval power. Further, hearing every kind of dialect, they have taken something from each; the Greeks rather tend to use their own dialect, way of life, and type of dress, but the Athenians use a mixture from all the Greeks and non-Greeks. The Athenian populace realizes that it is impossible for each of the poor to offer sacrifices, to give lavish feasts, to set up shr
Italy (Italy) (search for this): chapter 2
ps, but sea powers bear them easily. For the whole earth does not ail at the same time, so that from a prosperous land imports reach the rulers of the sea. If there should be mention also of slighter matters,Cf. Pericles in the Funeral Oration: Thuc. 2.38, on luxuries and delights, and on the presence in Athens of good things from everywhere. first, by virtue of their naval power, the Athenians have mingled with various peoples and discovered types of luxury. Whatever the delicacy in Sicily, Italy, Cyprus, Egypt, Lydia, Pontus, the Peloponnese, or anywhere else, -- all these have been brought together into one place by virtue of naval power. Further, hearing every kind of dialect, they have taken something from each; the Greeks rather tend to use their own dialect, way of life, and type of dress, but the Athenians use a mixture from all the Greeks and non-Greeks. The Athenian populace realizes that it is impossible for each of the poor to offer sacrifices, to give lavish feasts, to se
Peloponnesus (Greece) (search for this): chapter 2
whole earth does not ail at the same time, so that from a prosperous land imports reach the rulers of the sea. If there should be mention also of slighter matters,Cf. Pericles in the Funeral Oration: Thuc. 2.38, on luxuries and delights, and on the presence in Athens of good things from everywhere. first, by virtue of their naval power, the Athenians have mingled with various peoples and discovered types of luxury. Whatever the delicacy in Sicily, Italy, Cyprus, Egypt, Lydia, Pontus, the Peloponnese, or anywhere else, -- all these have been brought together into one place by virtue of naval power. Further, hearing every kind of dialect, they have taken something from each; the Greeks rather tend to use their own dialect, way of life, and type of dress, but the Athenians use a mixture from all the Greeks and non-Greeks. The Athenian populace realizes that it is impossible for each of the poor to offer sacrifices, to give lavish feasts, to set up shrines, and to manage a city which wil
Sicily (Italy) (search for this): chapter 2
the crops, but sea powers bear them easily. For the whole earth does not ail at the same time, so that from a prosperous land imports reach the rulers of the sea. If there should be mention also of slighter matters,Cf. Pericles in the Funeral Oration: Thuc. 2.38, on luxuries and delights, and on the presence in Athens of good things from everywhere. first, by virtue of their naval power, the Athenians have mingled with various peoples and discovered types of luxury. Whatever the delicacy in Sicily, Italy, Cyprus, Egypt, Lydia, Pontus, the Peloponnese, or anywhere else, -- all these have been brought together into one place by virtue of naval power. Further, hearing every kind of dialect, they have taken something from each; the Greeks rather tend to use their own dialect, way of life, and type of dress, but the Athenians use a mixture from all the Greeks and non-Greeks. The Athenian populace realizes that it is impossible for each of the poor to offer sacrifices, to give lavish feasts
Pylos (Greece) (search for this): chapter 2
is flax in abundance, the land is smooth and timberless. There is not even copper and iron from the same city, not any two or three other things in a single city, but there is one product here and another there. Furthermore, every mainland has either a projecting headland or an offshore island or some strait, so that it is possible for a naval power to put in there and to injure those who dwell on the land.Cf. Thuc. 1.142 for a similar idea. Some have seen in this passage an allusion to the Pylos affair. That is hardly necessary. But there is one thing the Athenians lack.This section of pseudo-Xenophon is strikingly similar to Pericles' remarks in Thuc. 1.143.5. If they were thalassocrats living on an island, it would be possible for them to inflict harm, if they wished, but as long as they ruled the sea, to suffer none, -- neither the ravaging of their land nor the taking on of enemies. As it is, of the Athenians the farmers and the wealthy curry favour with the enemy, whereas the p
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